100% agreement with Ross on this one...
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Ross Walker <ross.rosswalker.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Jason,
>
> Again I reiterate my point. Why are we requiring lots of non-default
> packages to be installed?
>
> Note - a LOT of people have to build AMBER on machines they do not have
> root for. They also have to build it on non-Linux systems - such as AIX.
> Thus I would suggest getting a machine and doing a default install - with
> most Linux systems the packages needed for Xleap etc are there. If they
> are not then right now they get a message asking them to specify -noX11.
> With this setup they will then get another message telling them to specify
> -nopysander - at this point the poor user is like - WTF?? what are all
> these things I am turning off, do I need pysander? What will it break etc
> etc etc... Bad news... Probably we should just have it automatically skip
> non-core packages if it does not find the relevant libraries.
>
> As you had it the configure script would fail with a FATAL error if one
> did not have python-dev installed. This requires root access to install.
>
> I would suggest changing this to be non-fatal - if it does not detect
> python-dev it just skips the building of pysander. This removes the fatal
> dependency on the external package rather than requiring the user to
> explicitly specify -nopysander.
>
> Some things to remember when developing code in AMBER:
>
> 1) Users will NOT necessarily have root access so you cannot just say
> things like - do yum install blah blah blah.
>
> 2) Users will NOT necessarily be running Linux or OSX
>
> 3) Users should NOT be expected to consult webpages outside of the
> ambermd.org domain.
>
> 4) Users cannot be considered to be Linux admins.
>
> We need to make things as simple as possible.
>
> All the best
> Ross
>
>
> On 10/1/14, 11:12 AM, "Jason Swails" <jason.swails.gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 2014-10-01 at 10:57 -0700, git repository hosting wrote:
> >> The project "git repository for AMBER":
> >>
> >> The branch, master has been updated
> >> via 9d5737077690e468e33971168de3b031e4529958 (commit)
> >> from 9ff7b996a9ae5818396d4e9d56e783e655955bde (commit)
> >>
> >>
> >> - Log -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >> commit 9d5737077690e468e33971168de3b031e4529958
> >> Author: Ross C. Walker <ross.rosswalker.co.uk>
> >> Date: Wed Oct 1 10:57:14 2014 -0700
> >>
> >> RCW: Change -nopysander to -pysander - make skipping of pysander build
> >> default since it requires external libraries that are not installed by
> >> default on most systems. - Should fix CruiseControl builds.
> >
> >I don't want to do this. And if the only purpose is to get CC to work
> >again, I don't think that's a good enough reason (nobody has noticed it
> >hasn't worked in ~2 weeks). Besides, you can just add -nopython to the
> >buildbot script. It doesn't cost users anything to configure, see that
> >they are missing Python.h, and either "yum install python-dev" or
> >configure -nopysander.
> >
> >Python development headers are common for people that use Python in
> >their work (which is a dramatically growing portion of people). I think
> >the functionality is useful enough that it should be enabled by default
> >(requiring a flag to enable it is a good way to make sure it never gets
> >used). There is no getting around the dependency (and I worked hard to
> >make sure we didn't introduce something additional like Cython or
> >Boost-Python).
> >
> >We do the same thing with X11 and xleap, so it's not like this is
> >unprecedented.
> >
> >I copied Dave here so he can tell me to deal with it if he disagrees.
> >
> >All the best,
> >Jason
> >
> >--
> >Jason M. Swails
> >BioMaPS,
> >Rutgers University
> >Postdoctoral Researcher
> >
>
>
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